Daisy may have a wing issue

[bonnie]

Matthew told me that yesterday while I was in the shower Daisy was playing with a toy and fell. He said she got herself back up and on the cage but for the rest of the day she kinda sat toward the back of the cage on the dome and didn't really want to come out. Today we noticed that she is kind of just letting her right wing hang there. I'm worried that she may have hurt it. She's not quite acting herself, but that's nothing unusual as she sometimes has a few days where she doesn't but bounces back. Her right wing is the one that has been pinioned, but she doesn't usually hold it out this far. Any opinions would be great.

[birdie]

Will she let you touch it? If not it's probubly sore. Can you get her into the vet just to make sure?

[bonnie]

After posting the pic, we noticed the nuts we put in the cage around 9 last night are still there. She loves nuts, they shouldn't still be there. I offered her some peanut butter. She perked up and ate a little but not much.

[bonnie]

Will she let you touch it? If not it's probubly sore. Can you get her into the vet just to make sure?

The vet is two hours away and it's an emergency vet as mine isn't in. We're going to head that way shortly I think.

[birdie]

good luck! I hope it's nothing serious, but when in doubt check it out. Let us know.

[Patty, Linus and Co.]

Poor Daisy. I hope she's okay. That's a long trip to the vet. Is your usual vet in tomorrow? I know it's New Year's day.

[Don D.]

Have you been able to be in otuoch with your regular avian vet? I think that they would be the first I'd want to talk with. If it's something like a broken wing, they may tell you that Daisy will be fine until the vet gets back to work as long as she is eating and drinking. I'd want to speak with them first.

Don D.

[MoluccanZoey]

Prayers for Daisy! I know how stressful it is when you think something might be wrong. Better to have her checked out then to spend all night worrying. Keep us posted. Hopefully its nothing. Once one ferret hurt his leg and was screaming all the way to the vets (at night- an emergency visit). When I set him down in the office so they could see how he limped- he started hopping around and making their happy clucking sound. I almost asked the vet to step out of the room while I "fixed" his leg so there would be something wrong for her to check! Hopefully you have one of those visits ;) Nothing wrong- but wanting to wring your child's neck on the way home for worrying you!

[bonnie]

We got to see a vet we've seen before. Her wing is not broken but she has a really nasty bruise in her wing pit. We were given some medication to help her not be in pain. Hopefully it'll help her feel good enough to eat. I got some peanut butter in her, not much but a little. Her poops are fairly normal so far. I've changed the paper in her cage so I can watch them. Just keep her in your thoughts and prayers.

[Diane, Clouds assignment]

Hugs to you and Daisy for a speedy recovery. :hugs:

[Don]

Hi Bonnie, good to hear it's only a bruise. What did she fall from and onto ?

Don


Happy New Year to All

[too&me]

Poor baby pain is no fun. Wishing her rapid healing perhaps she and Julies Mom can compare notes?

[Patty, Linus and Co.]

Bonnie, I'm so glad her wing injury isn't serious. I'm sure your very relieved. Poor Daisy though, I hope it doesn't hurt too much. I'm curious, what did they give you for her pain? She won't get tipsy and fall off her perch will she?

[lcarle]

Poor thing!!! Prayers are coming your way.

[bonnie]

Hi Bonnie, good to hear it's only a bruise. What did she fall from and onto ?

Don


Happy New Year to All
No one actually saw it happen. I was in the shower and my husband was putting Chicken in his cage. He heard something behind him and when he turned around he saw Daisy on the floor in front of her cage. He said she recovered quickly. When I came back in the kitchen Daisy was standing at the back of her cage, somewhere she doesn't normally stand. Matt told me what had happened and I talked to her a bit as she was obviously shaken. Last night I had to go to work so I was not monitoring her, today when I went in to check on them her bowl had nuts in it. It didn't appear she had ate any, not normal for her. We took her to the vet and he said nothing was broken. He was not an avian vet, but the best we could do on New Years Eve. We are planning to go to Oklahoma City first thing in the morning. She will see her regular avian vet there and we will have an xray done.

[bonnie]

Bonnie, I'm so glad her wing injury isn't serious. I'm sure your very relieved. Poor Daisy though, I hope it doesn't hurt too much. I'm curious, what did they give you for her pain? She won't get tipsy and fall off her perch will she?

Rimadryl. It will make her sleepy but not tipsy. I gave her the first dose but am waiting to see what the avian vet says in the morning before continuing. It seemed to help her, she came around and ate a little earlier. She is sleeping now. I will check on her again tomorrow, but as for now we are planning to go to the vet.

[Sandi & U2 Cody]

Happy to hear that it's nothing too serious. Hope she has a speedy recovery. She will be in our thoughts.

[birdie]

A bruise is not fun, but thankfully it wasn't serious, glad she's ok. :hgz: for Daisy & mom.

[bonnie]

I have a vet appointment this afternoon in Oklahoma City. I want an x ray and have decided not to give her the pain meds given to me. We'll see what they can do for her. Still not eating unless begged/forced to.

[birdscomefirst]

Hi Bonnie,

We are waiting to hear :-) good news!

Bill

[Anne-Samantha's Mom]

hping and praying for a speedy recovery..poor girl.

[bonnie]

Got great news. No breaks, just a really bad bruise, worse than we had originally thought. We did x rays and all her bones are in the right place! The vet gave her an oral liquid pain reliever that will also help with swelling. She advised us to move her to a smaller cage so there would be less stress if we need to make her eat. We still have the cage I bought Chicken when we first got him, works perfectly. Before we came home we stopped at the pet store and bought a bag of Zupreme baby hand feed. I warmed it up and went on and on about how good it tasted but she didn't want it. I ended up having to make her eat it. We syringed it into her mouth, about 5 ml. Her crop is bulged so at least she has something in her.
Vet said if she isn't eating on her own by Sunday to bring her back, but she thinks the medicine will help her feel well enough to eat before then.
On another note, I've been looking for Avian Vets in Oklahoma City since I first got Chicken. I've asked around and the vet I used today, Dr. Reeves, never came up. I tell you, I have been at my wits end trying to decide which vet I'd tried bugged me the least. I'm SO glad I found Dr. Reeves, she will now be my vet of choice. The office was very clean and the staff knew what they were doing. All the equipment was up to date and they knew how to handle Daisy with the least amount of stress. If you can say anything about this experience, I have found a great vet!

[Dot]

Got great news. No breaks, just a really bad bruise, worse than we had originally thought. We did x rays and all her bones are in the right place! The vet gave her an oral liquid pain reliever that will also help with swelling. She advised us to move her to a smaller cage so there would be less stress if we need to make her eat. We still have the cage I bought Chicken when we first got him, works perfectly. Before we came home we stopped at the pet store and bought a bag of Zupreme baby hand feed. I warmed it up and went on and on about how good it tasted but she didn't want it. I ended up having to make her eat it. We syringed it into her mouth, about 5 ml. Her crop is bulged so at least she has something in her.
Vet said if she isn't eating on her own by Sunday to bring her back, but she thinks the medicine will help her feel well enough to eat before then.
On another note, I've been looking for Avian Vets in Oklahoma City since I first got Chicken. I've asked around and the vet I used today, Dr. Reeves, never came up. I tell you, I have been at my wits end trying to decide which vet I'd tried bugged me the least. I'm SO glad I found Dr. Reeves, she will now be my vet of choice. The office was very clean and the staff knew what they were doing. All the equipment was up to date and they knew how to handle Daisy with the least amount of stress. If you can say anything about this experience, I have found a great vet!

You would not believe the breath I just let out. Whew. I am so glad to hear good news. Poor baby has an owee, but not as bad as you thought. Thanks for posting so soon and taking such good care of Daisy. You are a kind soul to spend the day driving Miss Daisy. (Sorry, just could not resist it.)

[MoluccanZoey]

I'm so glad that it isn't more serious. I know how stressful it can be having sick kids! You might also try that cereal I posted that louie liked (Kashi hot cereal) you would think I've never fed the birds before the way they chase me down when I go in their room with a bowlful! It might do the trick. But if she's not feeling well- whatever you can get in her. You never know though. You might try some fruit babyfood, or cherios...I'm just thinking of what she might want to "steal" or what you could put in a syringe if needed. I think the handfeeding formula is good though, that's what I handfed Zoey. She might not want anything yet- but you can try some when she's feeling better but not on her regular food yet. Prayers for a speedy recovery.

[birdscomefirst]

It sounds like things are on a very good track. You did very well with a difficult situation!

Bill

[bonnie]

It sounds like things are on a very good track. You did very well with a difficult situation!

Bill
Thanks Bill, I really appreciate that. I feel like I've been running around like a crazy person the last few days!

[too&me]

Hugs and wishes for a fast recovery and through healing. It sounds like your dark cloud had a silver lining after all.

[iti hoa's mom]

Glad there was not fracture as that would take a bit longer to heal (my avatar shows Cara who did fracture a wing).

Hand feeding formula might be good but a mash of your own might be just as tempting...mashed potatoes with some corn thrown in and maybe a few fews.

What medication did the vet end up prescribing.

Wishing good thoughts for quick healing.

[bonnie]

What medication did the vet end up prescribing.

0.1cc Metacam once a day for 5 days.

[Patty, Linus and Co.]

Great news Bonnie. She'll be better in no time. I'm also glad you found a good vet. It really is a comfort knowing there's a place to go where they'll will take good care of your babies.

[bonnie]

Thought I'd update you for today. Daisy has shown a little interest in food which is very refreshing. She's had a few nuts and about 5 grapes. She also had some of my macaroni I made for dinner. We went ahead and made her eat some baby bird formula earlier to get some extra nutrients in her. She hasn't talked, something I am really starting to miss. At this point I'm just glad she's showing interest in food.

[Diane, Clouds assignment]

Glad to hear she's on the mend. She can't get too much of momma's TLC to help her owieeee get better.

[iti hoa's mom]

0.1cc Metacam once a day for 5 days.


I have used metacam for a few of my birds and they have all done well. Pain relief and swelling relief. It is so small of an amount that it is an easier med to give than others. Mine were ok with taking it.

[bonnie]

I have used metacam for a few of my birds and they have all done well. Pain relief and swelling relief. It is so small of an amount that it is an easier med to give than others. Mine were ok with taking it.
She's done well taking. Like you said, the dose is small and it's down before she knows it.

[Dot]

Glad to hear she's on the mend. She can't get too much of momma's TLC to help her owieeee get better.


Speaking of the owieee, now is a good time to teach her that word. Blusher smacked into the wall when she fledged and she came her with "owiee" as a vocab. word.

[birdscomefirst]

Hi Bonnie,

I know I'm gonna open a can of worms here but what is, is what is.

Be really careful with grapes. Use only grapes that are gfrown in the US. There is a new law here in WA and I'm not sure if it's Federal or not but all produce has to be identified as to where it is grown.

Anyway. most grapes this time of year come from Chile and Mexico.

They are loaded with toxic chemicals used in herbicides and fungicides as well as pesticides. They are not chemicals that wash off, they are systemic chemicals that are in the fruit.

I notice that you mentioned 6 grapes. be sure they are not from the places mentioned. I am also thrilled that things are looking up! :-)

Thanks,
Bill

[Dot]

Hi Bonnie,

I know I'm gonna open a can of worms here but what is, is what is.

Be really careful with grapes. Use only grapes that are gfrown in the US. There is a new law here in WA and I'm not sure if it's Federal or not but all produce has to be identified as to where it is grown.

Anyway. most grapes this time of year come from Chile and Mexico.

They are loaded with toxic chemicals used in herbicides and fungicides as well as pesticides. They are not chemicals that wash off, they are systemic chemicals that are in the fruit.

I notice that you mentioned 6 grapes. be sure they are not from the places mentioned. I am also thrilled that things are looking up! :-)

Thanks,
Bill

Thanks for the heads-up, Bill. Also I want to ask if 6 is too many because of the sugar content and possible yeast infection.

Bonnie, I know you want your baby to eat, so please don't me mad at me. Know that I pray for you and Daisy every night.

[bonnie]

Bonnie, I know you want your baby to eat, so please don't me mad at me. Know that I pray for you and Daisy every night.

I'm not mad at all and thank you so much for your prayers. You are right, I just want her to eat. The number is actually 4 or 5, earlier I said about 5. Still too much if you're thinking about a normal situation. I decided the pros of getting the liquid and glucose in her out weighed the cons of possibly maybe could have a problem. The sugar is a concern, but I've been most worried about her blood sugar being too low because she isn't eating. I put better foods in her cage like carrots, broccoli, celery with peanut butter etc in her cage and she didn't want them.
I've tried everything to make food appealing to her, heck, I even took a bite of the baby hand feed to try to get her interest. So, when she showed an interest in the grapes I let her have them.
Anyhow, on a normal basis, they only get one or two grapes on occasion.

Bill, thanks for the heads up on the grapes. According to the packaging they are from the USA.

[iti hoa's mom]

Bill you are so right about those chemicals on fruits from Chile. There was even an expose on TV about that. Folks these are the heavy duty pesticides that were banned here in the states for many health reasons. I forget where I read it but Chile was going to start routing the fruit through a different country to be able to label it differently.

Grapes are high water, higher sugar, lower nutrition. Too much can be high in iron. With that said I don't see this as a problem for your bird right now. She is getting fluid, sugar helps with metabolism.

6 grapes a day routinely is a bit much from my understanding. Might want to do it only a couple of times a week. My aracari has to have fresh fruits daily and grapes are one of those fruits I give. Talking with the breeders of the Toucan says they all feed grapes. Actually, Olivia likes apples as one of her favorite fruit....the only thing that makes it better is if I hand feed her one piece at a time. :sadeyes:

[birdie]

what about gatoraide or pedialite to help get something in her?

[iti hoa's mom]

what about gatoraide or pedialite to help get something in her?


Is she pooping. That would be your clue. I have recently read (can't remember where) not to give gatorade.

Will she eat fruit. Oranges have fluid and electrolytes so is a good choice. papaya fresh has been enjoyed by most of my birds. I get to try out a bunch of fruits on my flock because of Olivia. She needs fresh fruit daily so I add variety.

Does Daisy like blueberries. You can get them frozen. They are considered an almost perfect food so would be a very good things to offer.

Hope she continues to heal quickly. She'll be back to herself in no time.

[birdscomefirst]

five or six grapes each day as long as they are US grown is OK. They still , of course need to be thouroughly rinsed.

Gatorade and Pedialyte are designed to restore "salts' in something as big as a human bean:-) In other words, there is way too much sodium and potassium in those products for birds. Even a small amount can be too much.

It's best to leave human foods and supplements to humans and perhaps other larger mammals.

Even baby foods that are given straight out of the bottles (and many people do this) can have vitamin A contents, sodium contents and zinc contents high enough to do damage to a bird.

(Yes...many baby foods are supplemented with Zinc as it is needed by infants, but it can be deadly for birds.)

Thanks,
Bill

[Diane, Clouds assignment]

Hi Bonnie,

I know I'm gonna open a can of worms here but what is, is what is.

Be really careful with grapes. Use only grapes that are gfrown in the US. There is a new law here in WA and I'm not sure if it's Federal or not but all produce has to be identified as to where it is grown.

Anyway. most grapes this time of year come from Chile and Mexico.

They are loaded with toxic chemicals used in herbicides and fungicides as well as pesticides. They are not chemicals that wash off, they are systemic chemicals that are in the fruit.

I notice that you mentioned 6 grapes. be sure they are not from the places mentioned. I am also thrilled that things are looking up! :-)

Thanks,
Bill

I just got back from a whole sale club that I shop at occasionally and I checked the grapes. They were labeled Dole, but were a product of Brazil. Thanks for the heads up on this. I would suspect that these toxins are not only used on grapes, but probably most produce from these countries. It's really scary when you learn whats being sold out there.

PS This was difficult to type because a I have Molly GW on the back of my hand and she is dancing and singing to Cher on the stereo. :cdnc:

[lcarle]

Glad she is doing better. Still praying for her quick recovery. Poor thing!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Bill for the grape info. By the way I live in Aberdeen, WA. Noticed you live in the Northwest some place. If you do not mind me asking, where?